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5 day pouch test !

j.u.s.t.l.i.z.

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does this really work ? anyone tryed it ? x

Liz x
 
anyone ???? guess its a nono then lol x
 
sorry hun im only 13 weeks post op... but thought i better say hi and not run.
There have been a couple of people who have tried it ive noticed on past threads..and what i remember it worked for both of them and it has put them on track... all i really know about it is it cant be done until at least 6 months post op...which you are well and truly... and you sort of go back to basics... liquids, pureed, mash xx good luck xx
 
Mazza has done it recently with great success as I believe it works for bandits too :)
 
If you have the self discipline required to make the 5DPT a success then to be honest you wouldn't really need to take the reset. It works for very very few long term, some short term, and most not at all. You get a year to make the lifestyle changes you have to make if you're going to be successful post op. If you failed to make the changes during that golden year then you're hardly likely to make them in five days
 
I thought it was just to re-sensitize your pouch? Are you saying that its all a waste of time after a year?
 
If you have the self discipline required to make the 5DPT a success then to be honest you wouldn't really need to take the reset. It works for very very few long term, some short term, and most not at all. You get a year to make the lifestyle changes you have to make if you're going to be successful post op. If you failed to make the changes during that golden year then you're hardly likely to make them in five days


this was my thoughts on it too Karl, i dont think much of it but some of my group seem to be wanting to try it and some already are on it, and i think its a short term temp measure that wont have long term effects this is why i thought id ask here for people thoughs/experiences, btw my pauls having his op march 2nd and is on the pre op diet as we speak :) hope your ok.

Liz x
 
thanks to all for there input too x
 
I agree with what Karlos says above Liz but like many I suppose those new healthy habits learned in year one can occassionally slip. For me I do find in general that when this happens and I slip a bit with my food and a few pounds reappear then a day or 2 on liquids helps me tweak restriction just that little bit I need to get back on track. BUT you need the mindset to do that and employ it or the 5dpt wisely i.e. recognise the problem immediately, get to the cutting back and the eating rules we are given after wls. For me the liquid days just seem to tighten my pouch a little and that is enough to get me back on track. Almost 3 years on and very immobile with arthritis I may need to do this about twice a year so I'm pleased with it from that point of view but my message would always be keep your eye on the ball and if it wanders force it back and employ whatever tools work for you to get back on track fast. Regain is always lurking closely in the shadows for those that don't and I just can't risk that 417lbs is not where I want to return to so a few days on liquids here and there is a small price to pay.

M
 
I thought it was just to re-sensitize your pouch? Are you saying that its all a waste of time after a year?

I'm saying that all it does physically is give you a short period of five days where your eating habits can get back on track. If you've been making bad food choices for a period of time then this short period might be enough to re-discipline you to make proper choices. In my experience short term crash diets don't work, most of us will have had a history of yo yo dieting pre op and the pouch test (It tests your resolve not your pouch) is just another version.

If it gets you back on track to regain control then it's worth it, however I know several people who have done it time after time to no real avail, if you have no self control then five days will not change your attitude long term. Better to make the small changes to your lifestyle that will have long term effects by becoming a habit that we live with rather than relying on this mythical cure all that simply does not deliver long term results for the vast majority of us.
 
Thanks for your reply....very useful. I had.been thinking of doing it to just get me back on track. But actually I don't need it.just now. It's all very interesting this WLS thing isn't it !!
 
I respectfully disagree with Karlos. I swear by the 5dpt and use it about every 6-8 weeks just to remind myself of the rules and make sure I am paying attention to my pouch. I find it an incredibly powerful tool and I think has been key to maintaining my weight (along with exercise).

ETA: Even when you are following all of the rules it is super easy to make decisions that aren't as brilliant as the rest of the time and start sliding into bad habits/not so great eating patterns. I find the 5dpt helps me in this regard. I am over 2 years out and I know quite a few people who had their bypasses around the same time as me and initially did well and the weight is creeping back on for them. The 5dpt helps remind me this is a tool and I will have to be careful for the remainder of my life.
 
I think its just a case of different strokes for different folks. If it helps you then go for it, got to be worth a try :) xxx
 
I respectfully disagree with Karlos. I swear by the 5dpt and use it about every 6-8 weeks just to remind myself of the rules and make sure I am paying attention to my pouch. I find it an incredibly powerful tool and I think has been key to maintaining my weight (along with exercise).

ETA: Even when you are following all of the rules it is super easy to make decisions that aren't as brilliant as the rest of the time and start sliding into bad habits/not so great eating patterns. I find the 5dpt helps me in this regard. I am over 2 years out and I know quite a few people who had their bypasses around the same time as me and initially did well and the weight is creeping back on for them. The 5dpt helps remind me this is a tool and I will have to be careful for the remainder of my life.

You've proved my point I think that the 5DPT doesn't work. The very fact that you have to continue to use it every few weeks confirms that as a tool to reset your pouch and allow you to gain control it is ineffective. If you rather adopted a regime of real control there would be no need to o to such drastic measures time after time after time.

You are using it as a crutch to facilitate "poorer" food choices in the same way that we employed yo yo crash diets pre op. This is not a criticism of you, (You know I loves ya) but of the myth that is the test. I disagree that if you are following the rules you can still fall into bad habits and run the risk of regaining weight. I followed the rules for three years and have never had to consider the 5DPT, and I know many post oppers who have done the same thing and maintained without the need for these fad measures

If you're happy with it and it is delivering results then that's great, however advocating it as a means of long term control is dangerous. You largely follow the rules and take exercise hence you probably don't really need to use the test, it just gives you comfort, however there are many here who can not demonstrate your level of control who might see this as an answer to their poor habits who would not achieve the same results as you

The best advice is as always follow the rules and adopt the lifestyle changes that will deliver long term success, therein lies the path of true success.
 
The main problem with the 5dpt is that people see it as just a 5 day thing. In reality you are supposed to treat every day afterwards as if it were day 5. It's about resetting your mind, not your stomach! It doesn't change your pouch in any way, it simply shows you how your pouch works again and aims to get rid of bad eating habits.

The other problem I see is people not bothering to research it properly before doing it, trying it at 3/4 months post op, living on cup a soup on day 1 etc.

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Karl, it's hard on others to compare yourself to them, saying that you've never had to consider it as you've always followed the rules, because your malabsorptive problems like mine mean that we should never have to use the 5dpt as we *could* develop bad habits and still lose or maintain. When I was losing I never gained or stalled and to a point frowned at those who did but with hindsight and knowing about the chronic malabsorption it's not far to compare myself to others because it makes us vastly different in all stages post op.

Yes, I agree that it shouldn't be necessary, and if you can get your head into the right place life should be fine but for many that doesn't happen easily or they aren't given the help to deal with the psyche issues associated with food and control.

I've watched friends do so well for the first 2 years and seem promising for long term maintenance slowly start to lose their way and if used properly the pouch test can be a good tool for getting back on track.

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