Doctors strike today.

[Paula Garner]

Beas just wondering if anybody knows or has heard if anyone waiting for wls had their op or hospital appointments cancelled today, due to them striking ?

 

[OOnion]

I've not heard of anyone that was cancelled - a lot of media hype trying to make the Dr's look bad if you ask me?!
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[Paula Garner]

I agree

 

[Karlos]

Considering the fact most practicing doctors today got their qualifications for free, they earn more in a year than most of us would in five years, they never have to worry about job security, their pensions are pretty chuffin good compared with most of their patients, then I don't need the press to make them look bad in my eyes, that any one of them chose to strike putting themselves before their patients from their cosseted position make me puke. Caring profession? my saggy backside the ones that took action only care about one thing I reckon...............JMHO

 

[Jamast]

I saw something recently that said the very lowest paid Doctor would have to 'manage' on a pension as low as £60,000 a year. ROFL ... 'manage' ... I'm damn sure most, if not all of us would love to try and 'manage' on that amount now.

 

[Karlos]

Yeah about twelve times more than a soldier who put his life on the line to make a country where these privileged people can enjoy their large salaries and pensions. Our doctors do a fantastic job and I know most were too embarrassed to join in this ridiculous action, but those who did should take a look into the lives their patients live on the pittance they get and just give themselves a chuffin shake

 

[Sarahmaria]

Considering the fact most practicing doctors today got their qualifications for free, they earn more in a year than most of us would in five years, they never have to worry about job security, their pensions are pretty chuffin good compared with most of their patients, then I don't need the press to make them look bad in my eyes, that any one of them chose to strike putting themselves before their patients from their cosseted position make me puke. Caring profession? my saggy backside the ones that took action only care about one thing I reckon...............JMHO

Yeah about twelve times more than a soldier who put his life on the line to make a country where these privileged people can enjoy their large salaries and pensions. Our doctors do a fantastic job and I know most were too embarrassed to join in this ridiculous action, but those who did should take a look into the lives their patients live on the pittance they get and just give themselves a chuffin shake

Well this is an absolute disgrace. My boyfriends a doctor. He spent 5 gruelling years at uni and has worked hard everyday of his life since. He works at least 10hrs a day and often goes weeks without getting a day off. This strike is completly justified tho it wasnt a proper strike as they still all went in to work and still looked after all the sick patients. I dont know one doctor who compromised their patients care on that day. Doctors deserve a large salary due to long hours, weekends and nights and the fact that they have the highest responsibility of any job-often with little support. Most doctors salaries come nowhere near that of dentists, bankers etc. And what about all the surgeons who have operated on people on this site. Giving people who have made wrong choices a second chance. You're view point is disgusting and ignorant.

 

[Paula Garner]

I work for the NHS and I work just as hard as any doctor. My pension will be no where near what they get. What about all the nurses, Health care support workers, physiotherapists etc who work hard every day. Their reward for all their hard work should be worth just as much as any doctor or surgeon.

The whole point of working in health is to put your patients first. How many poor people who have been waiting months, some times years for operations, often in pain and discomfort were set back by the people who did decide to strike ? Now thats disgusting and ignorant if you ask me.

 

[Sarahmaria]

I work for the NHS and I work just as hard as any doctor. My pension will be no where near what they get. What about all the nurses, Health care support workers, physiotherapists etc who work hard every day. Their reward for all their hard work should be worth just as much as any doctor or surgeon.

The whole point of working in health is to put your patients first. How many poor people who have been waiting months, some times years for operations, often in pain and discomfort were set back by the people who did decide to strike ? Now thats disgusting and ignorant if you ask me.

To be honest iv heard of no one whos had their appointments/care compromised during the strike. Im my bfs hospital he still did the routine lists/routine outpatients clinics etc. I really dont believe patients were disadvantaged at all. Certainly not as much as some strikes cause. At the end of the day, doctors are being disadvantaged about their pensions so they have as much a right as anyone to kick up a fuss. I agree other members of the healthcare team do work hard at their jobs but at the end of the day-if something goes wrong with a patient, doctors are gona be the ones held accountable. And u cant compare the work of say a physiotherapist to te work of a doctor. Its completly different. Doctors have it much harder. thats why they get more money. Not to mention no other job requires as many years training. By the time my boyfriend becomes a consultant (and thats really on when the money becomes impressive, he will have been training 9 years and thats after university. Few jobs require as much training postgraduate exams and just general hard slog. Being oncall is also hard for doctors. My boyfriend had a rotation where he would do his usual job durinh the day-clinics, see sick people on wards and see a&e referrals then went oncall at 5pm and was in the hospital until at least 5am the next day. Then had to get up again in the morning and do his normal 8-6 job. This was a frequent occurance.i dont believe its fair how dentists earn more than doctors when they only work 9-5 shifts 5 days a week!

 

[OOnion]

Woww - lets put the brakes on here people!

Firstly - Dr's earn more than most of their colleagues in the NHS as they have far more responsibility, have done far more training and should be paid accordinlgy.

As with all Public health services such as teachers, police and fire brigade it was agreed to "review pay" - this was done in 2008 by the Government and the fiscal body and the conclusion was that an upper limit of 14% (capped) would be set for Dr's contribution to their pensions, and that their current pension scheme was both appropriate and viable, with an excess of just under £2 million, it was reviewed and agreed to maintain contribution at 7% with the view to increase to the upper capped limit only if and when it was needed to balance the pension fund - 7% which is what other public sector workers contribute - however the Government have now decided to review this again - and dismiss all the original agreements of 2008 !

This is what they are P***** off about, and rightly so - why should they have to have a 2nd pay review and cut of their pension when they have already been reviewed and come to an agreement.

Dr's salaries are comparable to MP's and bankers - let's see their pensions be reviewed - are they going to be prepared to double their contribution and work for an extra 5 years? I very much doubt it!!

Come on, regardless of salary - no one can see this as being fare and right?! Show me a Dr that does not care about their patient and I will show you a hen's tooth!!

 

[Yvessa]

I agree completely. Rather than saying ooh doctors get more than I do, every single public servant should be striking together. After all, we're being attacked together.

 

[Karlos]

Well this is an absolute disgrace.

No it’s my opinion and I’m entitled to it just as you are entitled to your biased and ignorant one

My boyfriends a doctor.

Hence your bias, I wonder if your view would be different if you were one of those affected by the industrial action taken by the doctors that resulted in non urgent routine operations being cancelled

He spent 5 gruelling years at uni and has worked hard everyday of his life since. He works at least 10hrs a day and often goes weeks without getting a day off.

“Gruelling” ? You’re kidding right? In those five years he spent going to school each day hundreds of thousands of people worked twelve hours or more each day doing back breaking work for minimum wage, Thousands of our soldiers put their lives on the line day after day for a fraction of what your boyfriend earned and those that lost their lives will never pick up any pension. The thousands who lost limbs will have to survive for the rest of their lives on a pittance compared with your boyfriend, and if they reach pensionable age, they will will pick up less than half of your boyfriends pension

A great many people have to work twelve hours plus each day doing multiple menial jobs for minimum wage just to survive above the chuffin bread line so don’t expect me to have sympathy for a doctor earning more in a year than a soldier etc will in five years

This strike is completly justified tho it wasnt a proper strike as they still all went in to work and still looked after all the sick patients. I dont know one doctor who compromised their patients care on that day. Doctors deserve a large salary due to long hours, weekends and nights and the fact that they have the highest responsibility of any job-often with little support.

No they didn’t all go into work, and unless you know every doctor this statement just like the rest of your post is utter drivel. You spout on about ignorance yet display nothing but ignorance (Look it up) No one has said doctors shouldn’t get a large salary, they are paid for their knowledge and the responsibility that goes with their role, however when I hear of someone who will pick up a minimum pension that is many many times greater than people who will also work long hours, nights, weekends etc, and with the constant threat of redundancy over their shoulders, then I have nothing but contempt for them.

Most doctors salaries come nowhere near that of dentists, bankers etc. And what about all the surgeons who have operated on people on this site. Giving people who have made wrong choices a second chance. You're view point is disgusting and ignorant.

Dentists and bankers? Are you for real or really as ignorant as this statement indicates? The dentists who earn lots of money do so from private practise. It’s their business and they take the risks that go hand in hand with running their own practice. Doctors who do private work also earn a great deal of money. I know personally a surgeon who earns more doing private operations in one weekend than I would in 18 months, and I’m on a good wage, so please wind your neck in you’re embarrassing.

Bankers at the top of their field (A very very small percentage, but your ignorance doesn’t allow you to make the distinction does it?) earn a huge salary. So they should, they are operating in the commercial sector. They just like all of us who have to rely on commerce for our jobs don’t have money given by the treasury for life, we don’t have jobs for life with zero chance of redundancy unlike doctors.

As for your final comments the surgeon who operated on me earns more in a year than a soldier who puts his life on the line every 24 hour day could in 20 years so once again even though you are entitled to your opinion just like I am, your ignorance is embarrassing

 

[Karlos]

Woww - lets put the brakes on here people!

Firstly - Dr's earn more than most of their colleagues in the NHS as they have far more responsibility, have done far more training and should be paid accordinlgy.

As with all Public health services such as teachers, police and fire brigade it was agreed to "review pay" - this was done in 2008 by the Government and the fiscal body and the conclusion was that an upper limit of 14% (capped) would be set for Dr's contribution to their pensions, and that their current pension scheme was both appropriate and viable, with an excess of just under £2 million, it was reviewed and agreed to maintain contribution at 7% with the view to increase to the upper capped limit only if and when it was needed to balance the pension fund - 7% which is what other public sector workers contribute - however the Government have now decided to review this again - and dismiss all the original agreements of 2008 !

This is what they are P***** off about, and rightly so - why should they have to have a 2nd pay review and cut of their pension when they have already been reviewed and come to an agreement.

Dr's salaries are comparable to MP's and bankers - let's see their pensions be reviewed - are they going to be prepared to double their contribution and work for an extra 5 years? I very much doubt it!!

Come on, regardless of salary - no one can see this as being fare and right?! Show me a Dr that does not care about their patient and I will show you a hen's tooth!!

What is it with you people and Bankers? Very few top level bankers get great salaries and great pensions. Most involved in banking get below average wage and their pensions are reflected by this. The huge difference is that bankers’ pensions are dependant upon their banks being successful, they do not get their pensions guaranteed or funded by the tax payer, they operate in the commercial sector. Their pensions are reviewed and subject to change without any consultation or negotiation so please let’s cut the crap about bankers salaries and pensions, they earn their money by commercial enterprise, they are not given it by the tax payer.

My company changed its pension scheme a number of years ago because it could no longer afford to fund the old scheme. There was no consultation, no negotiation, we were told this is the new scheme take it or leave it. This was going to cost me about five grand a year if I reached pensionable age. Why should those of us who pay the tax that funds public sector pensions be subject to these risks but public sector workers not be?

All of us are going to have to work longer and end up with less, that due to the changes in global demographics, we are living longer and having less kids, you cannot pay out more than you have coming in simple, fiscal policy is what’s driving pension reviews and doctors and other public sector workers are no different nor no more deserving of fairness than the rest of the working population who pay the tax that keeps these people in jobs and pensions

 

[Sarahmaria]

No it’s my opinion and I’m entitled to it just as you are entitled to your biased and ignorant one





Hence your bias, I wonder if your view would be different if you were one of those affected by the industrial action taken by the doctors that resulted in non urgent routine operations being cancelled



“Gruelling” ? You’re kidding right? In those five years he spent going to school each day hundreds of thousands of people worked twelve hours or more each day doing back breaking work for minimum wage, Thousands of our soldiers put their lives on the line day after day for a fraction of what your boyfriend earned and those that lost their lives will never pick up any pension. The thousands who lost limbs will have to survive for the rest of their lives on a pittance compared with your boyfriend, and if they reach pensionable age, they will will pick up less than half of your boyfriends pension

A great many people have to work twelve hours plus each day doing multiple menial jobs for minimum wage just to survive above the chuffin bread line so don’t expect me to have sympathy for a doctor earning more in a year than a soldier etc will in five years




No they didn’t all go into work, and unless you know every doctor this statement just like the rest of your post is utter drivel. You spout on about ignorance yet display nothing but ignorance (Look it up) No one has said doctors shouldn’t get a large salary, they are paid for their knowledge and the responsibility that goes with their role, however when I hear of someone who will pick up a minimum pension that is many many times greater than people who will also work long hours, nights, weekends etc, and with the constant threat of redundancy over their shoulders, then I have nothing but contempt for them.



Dentists and bankers? Are you for real or really as ignorant as this statement indicates? The dentists who earn lots of money do so from private practise. It’s their business and they take the risks that go hand in hand with running their own practice. Doctors who do private work also earn a great deal of money. I know personally a surgeon who earns more doing private operations in one weekend than I would in 18 months, and I’m on a good wage, so please wind your neck in you’re embarrassing.

Bankers at the top of their field (A very very small percentage, but your ignorance doesn’t allow you to make the distinction does it?) earn a huge salary. So they should, they are operating in the commercial sector. They just like all of us who have to rely on commerce for our jobs don’t have money given by the treasury for life, we don’t have jobs for life with zero chance of redundancy unlike doctors.

As for your final comments the surgeon who operated on me earns more in a year than a soldier who puts his life on the line every 24 hour day could in 20 years so once again even though you are entitled to your opinion just like I am, your ignorance is embarrassing

Karlos you really are the most ignorant, obstructive spiteful person i've ever had the misfortune to come across. And im not just basing this on this post-ever other post ive seen from u is full of hate, cheeky remarks and just generally u thinking you're greater than anyone else because you've been successful at weight loss-something which a huge number of people on te site have achieved. Why the chip on your shoulder (excuse the pun).
Yes, i am biased as my bf is a doctor/most of friends are but that does NOT make me ignorant (look it up). In fact it makes me better informed. Why do you have such a problem with people going to university? Did you get rejected?. At the end of the day people have a choice at what job to do. I certainly came from a very underprivledged background but worked hard, got good grades and got a scholarship which meant i cud study my arse off at uni and get a good job. Its all a choice. People dont have to be soldiers etc - its a choice. And its doctors choice whether they (rightly) want to take action on being disadvantaged with their pensions. As i said-i have friends who work in various hospitals in northern ireland and not one of them reported anyones care being compromised on the strike day. Maybe you heard of the odd person being put out. I.e their routine appointment was cancelled. While this is annoying (much like bus driver strikes, post office strikes) it is not life threatening. At the end of the day, no lives were taken from the strike and no sick person went untreated so wind your ignorant neck in. I hope thia reaches you karlos as you should be brought down a peg or two (tho i doubt anything would get through to u from what iv seen on previous boards).
I will be blocking you as i try to stay away from people like you who i find ignorant, upsetting and just generally nasty.

 

[Karlos]

Your childish insults are matched only by your dreadful grammar and as such I'll just ignore them and continue to deal in facts not hearsay from your biased friends thanks. Operations that people had been waiting for were cancelled, routine clinical visits were cancelled, sick people were inconvenienced because some doctors think it's unfair for them to be treated the same way as millions of people who work in the private sector.

I don't have any chip on my shoulder regarding doctors, I have the greatest regard for them, they saved my life with WLS, then again last year they fought for two weeks to save my life. Right now they are doing everything they can to give me a few more weeks of life when the easy, cost effective course of action would be to increase the pain killers and let nature take its course, so you are talking right through your ignorant arse lady with your juvenile claims so please grow up.

However when I see people in a job with zero risk of job security who earn huge salaries for life at the tax payers expense, *****ing about having their comparatively huge pensions reviewed then that makes me puke.

You harp on about me being nasty etc yet how funny is it that you opened up the childish name calling? I guess your lazy limited vocabulary doesn't help you debate with adults, go figure

 

[Mazza]

Ok, this all getting out of hand. Discussions of this nature will always be emotive but this thread was started to establish if anyones ops or appointments had been affected.

I dont see any benefit in keeping the thread open!