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molloyj1979

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I need some advice please. I have a BMI of 41 and need to get down to at least 30 to be able to receive IVF Fertility treatment. I also have PCOS which makes it harder to loose and maintain weight. I also have Multiple Sclerosis. I've had 'issues' with my weight since my teens, I am now reaching 35yrs old. After which, fertility in woman drastically decreases and the cut off age for assistance with IVF is 40yrs. I feel as though I am running out of time! My reason for weight loss, I suppose, is for primarily to receive IVF and secondary to be a healthy weight. My GP informs me that I do not meet all the criteria for this area of the UK (my BMI is below the minimum). I understand the NICE guidelines say that a min. of BMI of 40, or 35 if other health issues. I'm hoping that I can have a gastric band, so my GP is trying to define the criteria, which in this area was last updated in 2010, I think. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks x
 
I recall looking up information about this myself. The problem is with NICE is that they are guidelines - not policies. I am pretty sure when I read up about it that in my area I would have had to have had a BMI of 50 to be considered for Gastric Banding (which I had but would have then had to go through a 2 year process - I didnt feel like I had the time).

It will depend on what the specific criteria is in your area - I just hope the GP is able to sort something for you.

I obviously dont wish to dishearten you, I would like to think that I know partly about what concerns you. I am assuming that going private isnt an option?

I am pretty sure the above is no reassurance, the situation is crap and lots of people are being failed by the system and it's not fair. I sincerely hope things work out for you and i'm thinking of you and keeping my fingers crossed. Keep us up to date with what happens. x
 
There are new national guidelines from April that must go through NHS England. I have a copy of the full guidelines but am unsure how to post them here. :(

However I hope this helps. :)

4. Criteria for commissioning

Bariatric surgery is a treatment for appropriate, selected patients with severe and complex obesity that has not responded to all other non-invasive therapies.

Within these patient groups bariatric surgery has been shown to be highly cost effective. Bariatric surgery is recommended by NICE as a first-line option for adults with a BMI of more than 50kg/m2, in whom surgical intervention is considered appropriate.

However, it will be required that these patients also fulfil the criteria below.
Selection criteria of patients for bariatric surgery should prevent perverse incentives for example patients should not become more eligible for surgery by increasing their body weight. Similarly the selection criteria should not forbid bariatric surgery for patients who have lost weight with non-surgical methods.

Eligibility for bariatric surgery

Surgery will only be considered as a treatment option for people with morbid obesity providing all of the following criteria are fulfilled:

The individual is considered morbidly obese. For the purpose of this policy bariatric surgery will be offered to adults with a BMI of 40kg/m2 or more, or between 35 kg/m2 and 40kg/m2 or greater in the presence of other significant diseases.

There must be formalised MDT led processes for the screening of co-morbidities and the detection of other significant diseases. These should include identification, diagnosis, severity/complexity assessment, risk
stratification/scoring and appropriate specialist referral for medical management. Such medical evaluation is mandatory prior to entering a surgical pathway.

Morbid/severe obesity has been present for at least five years.

The individual has recently received and complied with a local specialist obesity service weight loss programme (non surgical Tier 3 / 4), described as follows:

This will have been for duration of 12-24 months. For patients with BMI > 50
attending a specialist bariatric service, this period may include the stabilisation and assessment period prior to bariatric surgery. The minimum acceptable period is six months. The specialist obesity weight loss programme and MDT should be decided locally. This will be led by a professional with a specialist interest in obesity and include a physician, specialist dietician, nurse, psychologist and physical exercise therapist, all of whom must also have a specialist interest in obesity. There are different models of local MDT structure. Important features are the multidisciplinary, structured and organised approach, lead professional, assessment of evidence that all suitable non invasive options have been explored and trialled and individualised patient focus and targets. In addition to offering a programme of care the service will select and refer appropriate patients for consideration for bariatric surgery.

The non-surgical Tier 3 / 4 service may be community or hospital-based but will have as their role

 Education

 Dietary advice/support (which may be delivered through specialist obesity
dieticians, or slimming clubs – Weight Watchers, Slimming World etc.)

 Enabling access to appropriate level of physical activity where not limited due to obesity related problems such as osteoarthritis, cardio respiratory disease

 Exclusion of underlying contributory disease e.g. hypothyroidism, Cushing’s

 Evaluation of co-morbidities (diabetes, sleep disorder breathing, etc) and
instigation of appropriate management plans

 Evaluation of patient’s engagement with non-surgical measures

 Evaluation of psychological factors relevant to obesity, eating behaviour, physical activity and patient engagement.

 There is evidence of attendance, engagement and full participation in the above non surgical Tier 3 / 4 service Engagement can be judged by attendance records and achievement of pre-set individualised targets (for example steady and sustained weight loss of 5-10%, or maintaining constant weight whilst stopping smoking).

 The patient has been assessed and referred by the lead physician/ clinician for the specialist obesity weight loss MDT.

 The patient has been unable to lose clinically significant weight (i.e. enough to modify co-morbidities) during the period of intervention. Patients who lose sufficient weight to fall beneath the NICE guidance should not be considered appropriate for surgery.

The final decision on whether an operation is indicated should be made by the
specialist hospital bariatric MDT. For all bariatric surgery candidates, an individual risk benefit evaluation will be done by the Bariatric Surgery MDT, this will be informed by their own clinical assessment and information provided by primary care and by non-surgical Tier 3 / 4. In some locations there may be close liaison (and perhaps even overlap of personnel) between non-surgical Tier 3/4 and Bariatric

Surgery MDT. For example, a specialist bariatric physician would be on both MDTs.

The risk:benefit evaluation will consider:

 Existing co-morbidities and their reversibility

 Risk of future co-morbidities and their reversibility

 Patients age and general level of health

 Anticipated weight reduction

 Alternatives if bariatric surgery is not undertaken

 Peri-operative mortality

 Post-operative complications of bariatric surgery
The Bariatric Surgery Team will satisfy itself that:

 Bariatric surgery is in accordance with relevant guidelines

 There are no specific clinical or psychological contraindications to this type of surgery

 The individual is aged 18 years or above.

 The patient has engaged with non-surgical Tier 3 / 4 Services.

 The anaesthetic and other peri-operative risks have been appropriately
minimised

 the patient has engaged in appropriate support or education groups/schemes to understand the benefits and risks of the intended surgical procedure

 the patient is likely to engage in the follow up programme that is required after any bariatric surgical procedure to ensure

 Safety of the patient,

 Best clinical outcome is obtained and then maintained.

 Change eating behaviour

 Change physical behaviour as advised

 The overall risk:benefit evaluation favours bariatric surgery

Revisional procedures will only be considered electively for clinical reasons due to complications and will require prior approval unless they are required on an acute emergency basis. (A separate policy will need to be developed for revisional procedures).

Any new/novel bariatric surgery procedures outside of this policy will not be routinely commissioned. Where a clinician wishes to make a request for a new
device/procedure, an application for exceptional funding through the NHS CB
Individual Funding Request (IFR) process should be made in the first instance.

The latter should be free to seek advice from the CRG leads. This request will then serve as an indicator for the CRG to undertake an evidence based review prior to developing a policy agreed by the CRG for the device/procedure requested.
 
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you need to remember there will be a wait for op if you get funding and with the band your looking at a possible 6months to get any real decent weightloss you may also need to attend a weight management course for 6months befor being able to gtet accsess to surgeon depending on your area, this is not going to be a quick fix to weightloss but I wish you much luck
 
Thanks very much, I feel like someone understands. My Husband was made redundant, so neither of us are employed. Raising the money ourselves is almost an impossibility. However, I am hoping that with honesty and dedication to diet, my family would offer. I always have said that if I needed anything, I would ask. I am very fortunate in that my Parents have always tried to support me even though I live away from home, but my weight issues have always been a 'sticky topic'. I have had the discussion regarding possibly asking money from them for IVF, if after on the NHS we couldn't afford to pay for it, and I would feel confident to ask them. BUT, THIS is totally different - Especially with fall outs with my Parents about my weight. I think that if I could get the Band, my weight, mood etc etc would improve and also my fertility, giving a good chance of having a family of my own AND being healthier. Just need to wait on my GP making further enquiries. Wish we could win the Lottery!
 
I appreciate this, but I'll just have to do whatever it takes (that's what I would say to anyone else going after something), but accepting this myself is difficult.
 
As Loppie has said, the NICE guidelines are just that, not set in stone policies. Although my BMI was high enough to qualify for funding, I have no co-morbidities (not diabetic, no sleep apnea, no heart issues, still very mobile), so when I went to my gp about it I was very politely told that I'd be wasting my time applying for funding.

I know how frustrating it is, and I truly hope you get good news x
 
ask your gp to refere you for the weight management now as your going to have to complete anyways and you mayfind it enough that you don't need banding . but please don't think banding alone is going to be the perfect answer to all problems it takes a lot of work and quiet a long time to see results not wanting to sound on a downer just don't want you to think it the be all and end all
 
I too have pcos and my main reason for having a band was to loss weight and be able to start a fertility treatment. I tried with my pct on many attempts to get funding for a band but I was turned down as I do not have any co morbidity, just a BMW of 41. After a lot of struggle I decided to go private, because I couldn't wait any longer.

You need to write a letter to your pct even if they refuse just keep trying because everyones situation is not the same. Write by explaining your circumstance and your health weight related issues. I am sure they can listen. All the best.
 
I think a lot of the private clinics offer interest free credit if that helps, I think if time of waiting is a factor then I think you may be quite upset at the waiting times for NHS, my GP told me it would be a minimum of 5 years wait! Hence I'm going private, having bypass 31st October, good luck with your plans for both weightless and IVF xxxx
 
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