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Hi,

My op is 27th Feb. I still have doubts about lots of things; whether I should band or bypass and whether I should be doing this thing at all.

I wonder if I should try another diet first.

Stress isn't quite the way I'm feeling. Slightly indecisive is.

I'm fasting at the moment as I am due to go for my bloods today at 2:30pm. I'm not excited, even though it's the beginning of the journey. Instead I'm apprehensive about it all.

Anyone else feel like this?
 
I felt totally like this hense why I jumped in feet first without thinking too much about the consequenses!
My advice is go for it!
Overthinking can be a *****.
x
 
Really well thanks, got weighed again this morning, lost 1 stone 4 in total. I am totally thrilled about it. I have a wedding to go to in June and I was dreading people seeing me becuase of all the weight I had put on since I saw them last year but I'm actually thinking that if I lose another couple of stone by then - which is possible I guess - I'll almost look normal!
How are you? Are you excited? x
 
Its difficult for anyone to be able to give you concise advice about which way you should go or if you should be actually considering WLS altogether if you are indded having doubts, i wish i had been or had the strenght to have lost weight conventionally, but i couldn't and in my heart of heart i knew i'd have regained it again, so for me WLS was the last chance saloon.

Bypass or band - again unsure, without knowing your exact stats (weight, height, BMI etc) its difficult to suggest, though i do know that the surgeons recommend bypass to paitents with near or over BMI's of 50 as they say its far more effective at removing larger quantities of weight ! - but you'll have to live with whatever you decide as no one else will do it for you, so making the right decision at this stage is of vital importance.

I guess really you have some soul searching to do, you seem switched on and i'm sure which ever way you decided to go you'd make it work for you, for me the question i'd be asking is, 'how hard do i want to work at it' and 'what do i want long term' as the answer to those two questions may help you decide exactly what you want !

Good luck
 
Its difficult for anyone to be able to give you concise advice about which way you should go or if you should be actually considering WLS altogether if you are indded having doubts, i wish i had been or had the strenght to have lost weight conventionally, but i couldn't and in my heart of heart i knew i'd have regained it again, so for me WLS was the last chance saloon.

Bypass or band - again unsure, without knowing your exact stats (weight, height, BMI etc) its difficult to suggest, though i do know that the surgeons recommend bypass to paitents with near or over BMI's of 50 as they say its far more effective at removing larger quantities of weight ! - but you'll have to live with whatever you decide as no one else will do it for you, so making the right decision at this stage is of vital importance.

I guess really you have some soul searching to do, you seem switched on and i'm sure which ever way you decided to go you'd make it work for you, for me the question i'd be asking is, 'how hard do i want to work at it' and 'what do i want long term' as the answer to those two questions may help you decide exactly what you want !

Good luck

Hi SS,

Thanks. I'm just in a bit of a tizz. I also have too much time on my hands. lol.

My BMI is around the 45/46 mark (never in my life has it been this high). Last time I was weighed I was 21St 13Ibs :sigh:. I have gained weight since losing with the Cambridge Diet. I'm 5'9 and as a guide to my size I was able to get into a size 16 dress from Warehouse when I was 16St 1Ib (my best result with Cambridge Diet). Ideally I'd like to wear size 14 trousers - thats what I want to get down to.

I am put off by the bypass because of the internal replumbing and long-term malabsorption issue. Both surgeons I saw didn't have an issue with me doing the band. I guess I'm procrastinating or at least being my usual indecisive self. I'd like to get to 11.5 Stones, 13St at the very least. I like to go to the gym and do aerobic and anaerobic exercise. I'm recovering from a bad cold so I haven't been for two weeks - which is annoying as I use exercise as mental medicine too.

24 hrs ago I wasn't hungry, I even forgot to eat. Today knowing I have to fast is making me a tad peckish. :sigh:
 
Hi SS,

Thanks. I'm just in a bit of a tizz. I also have too much time on my hands. lol.

My BMI is around the 45/46 mark (never in my life has it been this high). Last time I was weighed I was 21St 13Ibs :sigh:. I have gained weight since losing with the Cambridge Diet. I'm 5'9 and as a guide to my size I was able to get into a size 16 dress from Warehouse when I was 16St 1Ib (my best result with Cambridge Diet). Ideally I'd like to wear size 14 trousers - thats what I want to get down to.

I am put off by the bypass because of the internal replumbing and long-term malabsorption issue. Both surgeons I saw didn't have an issue with me doing the band. I guess I'm procrastinating or at least being my usual indecisive self. I'd like to get to 11.5 Stones, 13St at the very least. I like to go to the gym and do aerobic and anaerobic exercise. I'm recovering from a bad cold so I haven't been for two weeks - which is annoying as I use exercise as mental medicine too.

24 hrs ago I wasn't hungry, I even forgot to eat. Today knowing I have to fast is making me a tad peckish. :sigh:

Ok firstly everyone goes on about this 'dont like to be re plumbed' thing - you cant feel it, it makes no difference to your body and restriction feels the same as the band anyway - you simply cant eat a lot in one go.
Secondly long term malabsorbtion isn't a problem, the body re learns to use effectively what it has an malabsorbtion goes to almost nothing, it is true you will have to take vit suppliments, but these are no big deal either and personally i think keep my health in tip top condition anyway, consider this against endlessly adjusting and filling a band as thats a commitment you will need to manage to get good effect from a band.
thirdly people go on about the greater risk of the op - lets be honest when your out on the table the risk of dying isn't from the op its from the anasthetic itself, agreed longer out means higher risk, but its almost neglagable really.
Dumping syndrome is again one fo those issues everyone goes on about, this gets a lot better with time as the upper GI re learns to deal with sugar and most people find that things ingested that caused them to dump maybe wont longer term.

Ok so thats that bit done

Most bypassers find it fairly easy to drop a significant amount of weight quickly, long term statistics show that you can regain a small percentage of that weight, though i think this is down the individual and how you manage and maintain longer term.

The band is in my opinion a harder route, you will always have to diet and really watch your eating, you will have to maintain the so called 'sweet spot' with fills and let downs etc to gain the most from your band, and the weight lose is a lot slower than a bypass, statistically long term many banders regress to pre op eating habbits and as such regain significant amounts of weight.

Personally (and this is just my opinion) if i had a BMI over 45 ish i'd consider a bypass, it would give me a greater start and of the weight i need to lose it gives me the best chance of reaching somewhere close to that weight, however if my BMI was somewhere around 40 i'd be thinking that maybe i could do it with a band, the band would restrict my eating though i'd know i would have to maintain a healthy diet with no exceptions at all to lose and maintain that weight lose.

There are a few ladies here that have tried with a band failed and resorted to a bypass to lose weight, and there are some very successful banders here to that have lost and are maintaining there lose now. I took the advice of my consultant and changed my mind from a band to bypass and i'm really glad i listened to him, 16 months post op i'm in maintenance having lost in excess of 13 stone, with a band i'd really only expect to be half way now and would probably be struggling to lose more, so for me it was the right desision at the time and i still think that way.

Good luck which ever way you go. :D
 
Hey Hun ell we cant really tell you which option you should go for in the end you only you have to decide what you think will suit you..
But i can tell you about my self initially i wanted to go for the bypass then i heard alot of stories about complications then i got a little scared as my family was so against me going for the op so i was thinking if i had complications then i wouldn't have any support, i spoke to my GP about it she assured me that you are an adult and only you can decide what is good for you she told me i know how hard you tried your not just going in to it as i got polycystic ovarian syndrome so its so hard or me to lose weight but i know that i did try my best,Any way then i was thinking OK I'm going to go for the band then i spoke to my consultant and the dietitian about it they both assured me that in the long run the bypass is the best option asked why i wanted to go for the band i said because it reversible they said do you want to really lose weight i said yes do you want the money your spending to be worth it i said yes so then i just opted for the bypass plus i met a lady that had a band fitted a year ago and now shes going for the bypass as the band did not work at all..
Good luck on what ever you decide i hope it really works for you hun..best wishes..xxx
 
Please explain more x

I probably need to clarify my statement on malabsorbtion as i've read back and probably wasn't as clear as i could have been

When they cut and move the roux limb your left with 100cm ish less than you had before to absorb food and nutriants, this effects weight lose (approx 10-12% of the calories you eat) longer term the limb adjusts to the reduction and the malabsorbtion effect is minimal, and thus weight lose from the reduction of limb becomes neglagable as an effective weight lose tool. However the malabsorbtion of vitimins and and nutrients from your food will continue and most bypass paitents will be required to take vitimin suppliments for life.

Malabsorbtion has nothing to do with the pouch and size of the pouch, though the two together help the paitent lose significant amounts of weight in the first 12 months post op.

WL18 - if your interested i can mail you the study papers produced in the US against the effects of long term malabsorbtion for the RNY bypass !
 
Ive read them all SS, there's no true answer one way or the other. Malabsorbtion is differ's from person to person as our bodies are all different. Some suffer more than other's. Long term post op malabsorbtion effects have been recorded to cause many problems in "some" people for various reasons. Last time we had this discussion I posted a study that showed effects only turning up 10 years post op so long term it can be a problem for "some" and no not "everybody" adapts to long term malabsorbtion.
Because of the various conflicting reports both medical and non medical I don't think there is a yes or no answer to the subject but to say that Malabsorbtion is NOT an issue is incorrect in my opinion, that's all I am saying. :)
 
I probably need to clarify my statement on malabsorbtion as i've read back and probably wasn't as clear as i could have been

When they cut and move the roux limb your left with 100cm ish less than you had before to absorb food and nutriants, this effects weight lose (approx 10-12% of the calories you eat) longer term the limb adjusts to the reduction and the malabsorbtion effect is minimal, and thus weight lose from the reduction of limb becomes neglagable as an effective weight lose tool. However the malabsorbtion of vitimins and and nutrients from your food will continue and most bypass paitents will be required to take vitimin suppliments for life.

Malabsorbtion has nothing to do with the pouch and size of the pouch, though the two together help the paitent lose significant amounts of weight in the first 12 months post op.

WL18 - if your interested i can mail you the study papers produced in the US against the effects of long term malabsorbtion for the RNY bypass !


You don't think you could have acheived with the band?
 
You don't think you could have acheived with the band?

No i dont think i could have, at a starting weight of 25 stone ish the statistics say i'd only lose approx 45-60% of my excess body weight, that means i'd have lost 6 or 7 stone of the 13 i really needed to lose to get into a healthy BMI, then maybe struggled to lose the rest still leaving me obese, the bypass has an average of 75%, though i and others here have exceeded that.

I dont for one minute believe that total weight lose isn't achievable with the band as there are people here that have proved that it can be done, but for certain i know i'm not strong enough to dedicate myself to a life time of dieting which is what i'd have to do with a band, i wanted to lose my weight and then get on with the rest of my life, yep following a healthy balanced diet of course and ensuring i follow the rules of my pouch, but i also want to be able to enjoy my life, eating and drinking without worrying about regaining weight, which i pretty much do these days.

I do stress though this is my choice and based against my own unique criteria, and whilst this is right for me may not be for others or yourself........as i said at the top its not really for any one other than your consultant to advice you either way on this, you have to live with it longerterm and make it work for you so it has to be your choice, though getting yourself well educated about all possible choices pre your decision is the best bet.
 
Hi CC,

You know my reasons for opting for the bypass, and they are similar to Richards. I wanted rapid results, I felt the bypass was better suited to my eating habits. I also hoped I was a dumper, which it appears I am not, but in hindsight, Im glad I dont dump as I can enjoy an occasional treat such as a biscuit, or a small choccy bar (this is occasional before I get jumped on by anybody)

Re the malabsorption. I was told by Dr Hartland (part of Mr Khans team at Walsall) that I too would need a multivit for life, but that the bypass eventually adapts and starts to absorb more of the calories from our food. That's why the weight loss eventually slows down. Like Richard, my intestines dont feel any different, but I am more in tune with my body, and I feel restriction quickly which you would feel with either op.

Ive had 620 calories today so far and am completely stuffed! I will probably have a little snack later this evening - taking my total for the day to about 700. With a band (and not saying you will do this) you could have 700 cals worth of slider foods by lunchtime.

For you, because you love exercise I'm sure that with a band or bypass restricting the quanities you can eat you will get the weight off. Whichever op you go for, you can be sure that you are going to have to work with it to achieve results, but I have no doubt that you will do all you can to get to a healthy weight.

As for trying another diet, you and I have been here before... many times. We've tried it. It doesnt work. Thats why we are here. How many times have we beaten ourselves with the Cambridge Diet stick? It works for some, but not for me and you, not long term anyway.
 
Hi CC

You will probabaly have the should I have tried another diet thoughts even after surgery, for me they came when I did the liquid diet prior to surgery - I found it easy should I have done CD?, immediately post surgery when I was so tired, as my weight loss stalled etc etc. However every time back came the answer NO NO NO. You know my story from minis I am an excellent dieter and can shift loads of weight - did it this time - then I either get bored, knocked off track by life and oops there it goes back on again. For me this time it was the op or be 30st+ and my fear was palpable. You're around 30 I think and almost 22st, how high do you want to go before you call it a day would be my question to yourself? I wish I'd done it sooner my life would have been so very different and I've had a great life in many ways.

Bypass, band, neither its your call CC I hope you get there. A strange peace settles eventually.

Every best wish

M
 
Hi CC

Im sure you have done this allready but be honest with yourself about your eating habbits and discuss with your provider what they would recommend based on this. Ultimately its your decision but they may be able to help with your decision.

I would also like to point out that band fills are just an injection of saline and defills are the reverse. They are no big deal and they do not require as some people seem to think a never ending stream of vistits to your provider. It can take a few fills to get the right restriction and then some maintenance. These can all be done during your clinic visits, I can go as often as I like just to be weighed, have a chat with the dietician or I can book in for a fill. Problems occur when people are not honest and do not return to the clinic if their band is too tight, also if they delay getting a fill weight loss may stall.

It was a number of months after my op until I had my first fill and since then I have had 3 (I think) more. I am very close to my sweet spot and still losing but Im not having another fill until I have had an op Im waiting on.

My eating habbits dictated my choice of surgery and I made the right decision for me. Yes banders can eat slider foods and sabbotage their weight loss but bypassers can do this too.

Good luck x
 
I chose the band simply because I have a relatively small amount of weight to lose (5-6 stone). If I am honest I was scared about the bypass despite knowing so much about it, it felt like too big a deal for me.

I did a lot of research and I discussed the options at length with my consultant. He gave me the choice of the band or bypass. He felt I would benefit from either.

He told me in no uncertain terms that both ops are a tool and both require work and dedication. Banders do seem to have to work a bit harder but that doesn't bother me.

When looking at the options the bypass looked like a magic cure and a fairy tale but I was still reluctant.

It is your eating habits that you need to discuss with your consultant to ensure you make the right choice. This is really important.
 
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