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Neen,

Love the new avatar. You really are a good looking gal aren't you and you look so slim!
 
Morning everyone,

Wow, Theo is a bit of alright isnt he? Cheered me up anayway. Lovely eyes!

Anyway........

I feel awfull today, we are all full of a cold me my two daughters and my little boy who is just on the mend. The gilrs are 12 so they are having a good old lie in but the little one had me up at 6 this morning and wants to me to play cars with him now. I will do when the paraceatamol kicks in. Anyway moaning over. I have lost a pound this week which is not much, but better than nothing, i am alowed to eat pretty much anything now which scares me a bit. I am still trying to avoid carbs and rubbish foods but struggling a bit, looking forwards to my first fill really now, not for a couple of weeks though. Spoke to my dietician and she says I wouldnt be expected to loose anything at the moment because the band is practically innefective so that makes me feel a bit better. Trying to stay positive.

How is everyone else today?
 
Aw Leesh :( Hope you and the girls feel better very soon...how lucky it's the holidays and you can stay in and snuggle today.
I'm glad you like Theo...very piercing eyes I agree !!
A pound with no restriction is very good hun! I think just making sensible food choices is the best way forward anyway and even without a fill, there is some difference to pre-op .
Just eat really slowly and keep your mind busy to avoid snacking x
 
Hey hey ladies.....I have been sooooo busy that I didn't get a chance to be on here...sorry.

Love the avatar Neen, lovely pic...:D

I am down another pound, only got about half a pound more and I should be on target...2 days to go...so I am SURE I will make it. If not I am only I pound off....so can't be all bad.:D

Here is the soup: makes 10 servings:
500g Broccoli, Florets, Frozen, Tesco
3 Lges/900g Potatoes, White, Raw, Weighed with Skin, Flesh Only, Average (cut into medium sized chunks)
3 Cubes/30g Stock Cubes, Chicken, Knorr
1 Tsp/3g Garlic, Very Lazy, The English Provender Co.
½ Pint/284ml Milk, Whole, Average
½ Pot/20g Cheese, Parmigiano Reggiano, Shaved, Sainsbury's Or any other hard chesse like that---grated is better.

Mix the knorr up in 1200 mls hot water and bring to boil add garlic, stir ,then add potatoes and broccoli, can still be frozen. Simmer for 1.5 hours stirring occasionally. Removed from heat and add milk and cheese and then blitz with hand blender until smooth and simmer (covered) again for 20 minutes added fresh ground pepper to taste and serve.

Nutrition Data Per Serving
Calories (kcal) 116.2
Carbohydrate (g) 17.9
Protein (g) 5.1
Fat (g) 2.9
Fibre (g) 2.6
Alcohol (g) 0.0
Fruit & Veg 0.7

This is on about just under a cup serving size.....

It was lovely...the small bit I did get, OH's recipe. The new WLR I am on calculates all recipes and tells me the calories per serving...it is great.

And the great thing is....if I wanted to have a uber nice dinner and didn't have loads of calories left...I would do enough exercise to cover them, the extra calories...and poof, I get what I want....and still lose my weight.

Can't be bad....and it is teaching me about looking at stuff and the calories and things, instead of SW which never showed me calories, but syns and allowance.....

Hope you enjoy the soup, let me know what you think.

We have another fairly low cal, Bacon, leek and potato soup which is lush!!

and a parsnip and honey.....yumm.............
 
CC- not too bad hun....1 more pound to go and 2 more days.... found out I am doing 912 cals on my milk, but I just finished a quick 20 minute zumba express workout, which I love and burned another 205 off that.....so no doubt I won't have lost by tomorrow, as I reckon i will stick....but no worries....i accurately only need to lose about 4 oz.....or 120 grams....so I will be just fine for Thursday.

I am hoping that once i get a good schedule of stuff, between, taking the kids to groups, working, cleaning, and sorting my house out, I will get more organised with my exercise...this week, am not walking as it is half term,but come next week, I will be walking again, which is my 3 miles a day, plus at least 3 times a week doing my zumba....and maybe a bit of the wii stuff on the other 2 days, which of course is very light. So I should do just fine. And I have my calories all sorted out, and a lot of my meal plans and options, which is everything really! *LOL* so I can't wait.

I have decided though, that if sorting myself out with less carbs and more protein works, which I think it will, plus my aerobic exercise works....then I should be able to to do 2 lbs a week. If I can prove to myself I can keep things iN check ( which I can see no reason why not) then I will try and push the surgery back a couple of months. But it is isn't working, then I know, i gave it one last effort. Cus it this doesn't work, nothing I do will. And surgery will be my only option. If I hadn't found WLR I think I would just try to lose what I could anyway before surgery...but I feel this will just give me that edge. And from what I have read about others, they all seem to do really well on this and have most anything from 12-1 stones on this routine.

So I am not on a diet, I am just eating healthy and have a number to work from so I can see how many calories I have a day, and when I exercise, those calories as also either added on or I can save them, so I don't feel like I am deprived in anyway, and it is already calculated in what I need to lose my 2lbs a week. SO I can't see how I can't lose the weight.

How are you doing hun? how has the gut pain been? and your restriction?

Yesterday as my business class we had a new instructor...and her heard me talking to my mate about the milk thing and so on, and he was asking about stuff....and he made such a sweet comment, he said that he thought I was lovely, and that it hadn't occurred to him that I would need to lose weight until i mentioned about what I was doing. The he noticed my personality and that I seemed like I would be fun and a nice person to be around. And another person said a similar thing too to add to that. That it was my personality that made her want to be around me and like me, and that the weight thing was nothing to do with it all.

I thought it was sweet. But even I look in the mirror and see it. It was worse yesterday as since i have lost the stone I am in between sizes. My current jeans are swimmingly big, but I don't have the next size down, I only have two sizes down and they are just a bit too tight to where. I don't want to do and buy a mid sized pair as I don't plan on being in them long.

Anyway ladies....that is my tale. I am now going to do and clean my house, as it looks like a bomb has hit it since I wasn't here yesterday to sort it out. On comes the music and out comes the cleaners and vacuum. *LOL*
 
Hi Lovely FFBB,

My only concern (and I had this when you mentioned it a few days back) with postponing your surgery is your lack of willpower when the losses aren't happening. Now I know we are STILL going through it with the band, but the band still offers a lvel of support. Do you think you can continue the way you are doing for the next 3 yrs? Because (excuse the grammar) that's may be how long it'll take .... you're 313 now (which is excellent) but remember that there was a reason why you got up to 328Ibs in the first place. The band, bypass, switch or sleeve or any other op in between :eek: won't stop you comforting yourself with food (may be the bypass will!), however the result of the ops will certainly restrict you and offer some damage limitation. I'm not poo-pooing your efforts or even saying you have no will-power I'm just saying that I don't want you putting off an op that will save your life (give you more time with your children and hubby) due to a false dawn with your milk diet etc.

Anyway I've chatted enough :)
 
Oh and also .... I put some extra light Philadelphia cheese on 3 krisprolls and boiled an egg (I thought it'd be an alternative to scrambled eggs which I don't seem to tolerate). I had half the egg (very very small egg) and 2 krisprolls and I puked up as it felt as if the food was backfilling up - I was very surprised given I had lost restriction so wasn't eating in anticipation of a puke or a quick fill up of my pouch. So my restriction is back I think .... not sure yet.

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Zumba tonight so I HAVE to eat something as I'm still hungry having not eaten the krisp roll. So I've eaten some of my dinner I'm currently cooking .... well I had some of the carrots I was steaming alongside some salmon. I mixed it with some Philly .... yummy ... ok it was very soft - softer than I anticipated but by jove it it the spot. So now I'm ready to take on Zumba at 7pm.

Did I mention what happened to me today at the gym and some random man? Remind me to tell you later .... :D
 
P.S. I just love the fact that Neen is lurking but can't post ... she shows her appreciation by her 'thanks'. So sweet!!

:wavey: Neen! :wavey:
 
Hi Lovely FFBB,

My only concern (and I had this when you mentioned it a few days back) with postponing your surgery is your lack of willpower when the losses aren't happening. Now I know we are STILL going through it with the band, but the band still offers a lvel of support. Do you think you can continue the way you are doing for the next 3 yrs? Because (excuse the grammar) that's may be how long it'll take .... you're 313 now (which is excellent) but remember that there was a reason why you got up to 328Ibs in the first place. The band, bypass, switch or sleeve or any other op in between :eek: won't stop you comforting yourself with food (may be the bypass will!), however the result of the ops will certainly restrict you and offer some damage limitation. I'm not poo-pooing your efforts or even saying you have no will-power I'm just saying that I don't want you putting off an op that will save your life (give you more time with your children and hubby) due to a false dawn with your milk diet etc.

Anyway I've chatted enough :)

I honestly do get what you are saying. With regards to the loses, well I have 4 months between now and then to make a decision. And I plan to discuss my issues with the dietician on Thursday. As far as my Will is concerned, my will has always been there and I have no doubt will continue to be there. I have my reasons for losing weight like everyone else and they keep me going. I am not bothered about losing tons of weight in a super fast time frame. I just want to see that I am regularly losing when I put my efforts in. I get that some weeks I may gain a pound or two....and others I may lose more. And that I will have several plateaus. So for me it isn't a matter of that.

I am sure that If I said I wanted to postpone my surgery for 3 or 4 months, that doesn't mean they are going to take me off the list, but I don't see why I don't give it a chance rather than just saying well I will just wait till I have the band put in. I would rather know that I was looking at things all the way through than half heartedly. Surgery was/is my very last choice. It was always my last resort and no something I take lightly. I would personally feel more comfortable, trying with WLR and being able to see how many calories I should be in taking in order to lose my weight, and see my exercise as well, then to just leave it all to chance.

The band is about learning to eat in a different way and to unlearn you life time of habits, ie. comfort, bored, emotional eating. I have been or some time now working with my personal psycho-analyst to discover why I eat sometimes....and I have...I am not done yet, but I know that it has certainly helped, even prior to my milk diet. So as far as my emotional comfort eating side is concerned, I get why and when I do it, and therefore I am able to make changed to that, which I have implemented into my whole way of dealing with things. So, for me I don't feel they will be issues.

Now, I am not saying that I won't over eat sometimes. Even people who are at a "normal" weight do that. But I am certainly more conscience of it all, now then I ever was years ago. I am certainly more aware of my in take, more than I was ever previously. NONE of my other diets, to include my body chef meals, ever made me responsible for what I ate. SW, never talked about calories...it was just eat unlimitedly. Weight watchers, talked about portion sizes, but again not so much the calories. Body chef, did it all for me, so I didn't have to think about it, so it makes you reliant on them and not yourself. Cambridge, just puts you into ketosis, and again teaches you nothing about HOW TO EAT, but just that you aren't eating anything. Atkins...just showed me the power of protein, but never really anything about in take and out take. And my eating healthy thing never worked, because, whilst I was eating healthy, I was still eating too many calories, and never really knew what I was aiming for. The cabbage soup, was just stupid....as was all the other "get weight quick" diets we all follow. This is not a diet, it is a change, of habits.

The idea of all of this is to change my eating, not my lifestyle, to learn to eat when I am hungry, and stop when I am full. To make not just good choices, but wise choices. For the first time in a really long time, I feel like I am in control, not the diet, me. Nothing is out of bound, just the amounts need to be considered. I have my portions cups, a good set of scales, and my exercise is in the bag. So I don't see what I have to lose but weight. And if it means I have to weight an extra 3-4 months to get my surgery then so be it. I would rather try this and know I have given my 100% effort, if it doesn't work, I am not out anything but a couple of months. And if I can lose the weight I want to achieve in that time, then, I know I can do it on my own without a band, and in 4-5 months time, I will have learned a lot about what I can and can't do.

So CC, I really appreciate what you are saying, and plan to make the decision, I think is best for me at the time. I appreciate your concern, your care and you efforts, so please don't think I don't, I do.:D

I just read what you put....do you think I am talking about continuing the milk diet forever? Cuz that certainly is not that case...I am looking forward to a nice chicken salad when I can manage some food....*LOL*
 
Hi FFBB,

No I don't think you're on the milk diet forever. I think your Will right now is a false dawn (excuse me if I'm wrong). You're 5'2 and 313Ibs, previously 328Ibs .. thats probably equivalent to me being about 360-380Ibs ... thats a heck of a lot of weight and all i'm saying is there is a reason why you got there in the first place. If you can do it without WLS then do it, but cancel the operation because that will be a true test of your will. If you know you can't sustain what you're doing for 3+yrs then I say go for the op. Ultimately it is YOUR decision but I am just countering what you say as someone looking from the outside in and as someone who has battle ALL her life with weight but has loved exercise in one way or the other for a lot of her life. As you can see from my battles now (and in previous life) ... while the equation is simple - eat less / exercise more; the science isn't so simple and can cause demoralisation. Yep why go through the pain of a band if demoralisation will happen anyway? Well because the band (et al) stops me from fully acting out on that demoralisation.

You'll do whatever you want to do ... I'm not here to tell you to do otherwise ... but be sure very sure you can keep this up. I'm probably guessing you can postpone the operation, but why would you do that if you know you can do it? I'm trying to get my point across but my articulation fails me.

Do it ... but don't postpone the operation. I'd cancel it. If your will ironclad then it's not going to go anywhere and there's no point in having a 'back-up plan' because that is psychologically counter-productive. However be honest with yourself ... which I think you can be and are.

Good luck with the dietician. :)

CC xx

P.S - let me state weight loss can be achieved without the aid of WLS. We may struggle to lose, but I think it's within everyone's capability to lose without WLS ... however for many it's the right decision.
 
Hi girls , just whizzing through xxxx Back to normal next week I hope!
Some great points raised by both of you CC and Jenn...I started at 350 and I just could not get myself roused to make a dent in mine...so I don't know that I can offer any relevant advice other than to say, in times of weakness (yeah I have many) I have not put on all the weight I have lost..only a few pounds which I have then been able to relose again and on the whole I have not gone backwards.
Without the band I could only ever get a couple stone off max before the rest of the weight to lose overwhelmed me and back it came.

Ultimately my band has helped me get to a place where I can physically exercise and I also have a good degree of damage limitation in terms of growing portion sizes (that can happen with complacency on a long haul diet) and bingeing is not actually possible at all in the same way...so I am kind of covered on a bad day or two and not too much damage is done that I can't regroup.

Anyhooo, don't feel like you can't post any longer Jenn , if you decide to postpone the band...because we still want to include you whatever happens x
 
Evening all!

What a rubbish day weather wise, if it rains much more I will need an ark not a car!

Went into town this morning to meet Rache, we had a pint of coffee each and a good natter.

We were talking amongst other things about head hunger and still feeling like you should finish everything on your plate and not being able to, which is the thing that affects me the most :eek:

I decided its from years as a child of being forced to eat everything, at home at school - everywhere!!!! eat it or one of your brothers will, eat it or you cant leave the table, etc.

Its still very alien to me that I can only eat a similar amount to my 8 year old, I dont serve myself anything like the portion sizes I did but I CANNOT eat all that I do serve.

Anyway enough of my rambling, it was lovely to meet another bander in the 'flesh' and share our experiences and I hope to do the same again soon and maybe meet some more of you too :D
 
It was lovely to meet up with Mazza and great to get an insight into a bander with more years down the road and of course so much more experience.
I'm feeling thoroughly ashamed of my lack of commitment today.... down in general really. Was so unprepared for tea I got fish and chips and the loo appreciated most of it. Was soo hungry after getting back from the doctors with my youngest (tonsillitis again :( ) and hadn't prepared anything for tea went to the chippy and ate way too fast.
Tell you something it has put me off them. But I have not thrown up like that since having the band and it did scare me I confess.
Seeing the doc myself on friday.... think I need to admit my faults and request an audience with a food psychologist :(
 
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