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BANDERS UNITE ! Get to know each other chatter !

FFBB I hope you have a good day today, It's a shame that you can't do a low carb low fat pre-op instead as it would probably be easier and make you feel better within yourself.

I think I read somewhere that weight can fluctuate up to 4lbs a day due to fluid balance changing...so you could be setting yourself up for a lot of stress...there-by making your body cling to the fat stores....by weighing daily.

If you weigh once a week at the same time of day, you will get a better idea of what's really happening and save some of the torment x
 
hi neen, sorry to go off subject slightly, im just wondering, when you have a band, does it stay there indefinately, ie, can it stay there for life, or does it have to come out at any point. im just thinking, if it can stay in, it would be almost as good as a bypass wouldnt it, once the sweet spot was hit i mean. and by as good as a bypass, i mean that you will always have that bit of support there, and not have to handle going onto normal sized meals. im so glad to see that your threads have taken off, there are a lot of new possible banders coming on arnt there, i think its great, congrats hun and well done. big hugs xx
 
Hi Dawn

In case Neen isnt around to answer. The band is fairly new ie has only been around for around 15 years so there are no records going back beyond that. There have been a lot of improvements made to the construction of bands over the years and there is no reason why a correctly positioned band should need to be removed. Adjustments to fills should help with maintenance etc.

The weight losses with band, sleeve and bypass long term are very similar too :D
 
Hi Dawn,

Yes technically it is there for life.
Banding has always been comparable to Bypass 2+yrs out of operation. There is risk of weight gain in bypass(as is documented) as well as banding years post op, but I guess there is a little for leeway for weight management with the band given it's adjustability.

hope i made sense ... British AIrways delayed my flight home (apparently it was windy in the UK yesterday??) yesterday so I'm knackered due to lack of sleep :(
 
Hiya Dawny and thanks for dropping in, you and the other bypassers and sleevers are more than welcome to make use of any relevant tips etc!
Mazza and Cah-ching have answered you brilliantly and I certainly hope that my band is staying put !!

Hi Mazza , did you sleep good?

Welcome back Cah-ching ! Hope you had a lovely trip and have a chance to rest a bit today :)

Anyone seen or heard from Bexx recently? Last time she posted , she was looking stunning...hope she's doing OK
 
Neen,

Yeah, I did it again and weighed this morning and have gone down again, so I feel a bit better. Maybe it was just the switch of semi milk to lacto free skim that made the difference, maybe it was the water, but as long as I can see I am losing on it too then I am a happy bunny.

I feel a bit more positive today, I looked back and just thought...all I can do is follow the plan and do what I am told. I didn't get to walk to school this morning and my son has an appointment this afternoon about his tourettes, ( he is 5). So I won't be able to walk this afternoon, loads to do. Just like this morning. But I will make sure I have extra long walks tomorrow to make up for it. Plus I guess,I am going into town after my son's appointment, looking for a birthday present for his friends party on sunday, so I will be walking around all over...*LOL* Shop shop shop! hehehehe....

Anyway, I am only on page 6 but makes very interesting reading. Btw, how was zumba? I was thinking about trying that. Tell me this doesn't sound freaky...I used to be an aerobics instructor...*LOL* and I tried to do that billy boot camp thing....and even I struggled with it....but once I lose more weight I will try and get into it...it does look good...tae bo type stuff.

p.s- ca-ching--- great videos....very interesting...I am by no means going into this without knowledge, and I am glad that people feel capable of sharing their stories, and ups as well as downs....I think I would be skeptical if there was only happy go lucky isn't this perfect stuff on here. But must admit there seems to be more negative stuff than positive.

But I think...if you want to do it, the band is only meant to be an aid, not a cure. And for me...anything is better than where I am now....for me, and all my boys!!


speak later thanks.


p.s.s- neen,you are just amazing- your loses as well as mazza do really help me feel that I can do it. I do make healthy choices already and have done for a long time....so I KNOW I can achive any goal, with the right choices and effort.
 
thanks girls for answering me, ive wondered for a while now, so thought id ask. so really although there is a faster loss initially with bypass, after a while they work out roughly the same, thats great to know. thanks again girls, hugs xxx
 
Thanks FFBB hun xx Keep reading, also the diaries give a good indication of the ups and downs..I think a lot of my downs were fuelled by a lack of hope from the forum to a degree.
It is really hard to remain positive about a band if all you read is people singing the praises of bypassing and the general mood being "Oh the band is too much like hard work"

So many times I have thought..."Oh well I better give up!"

So yeah I think a lot of preparation definately helps, but what also helps more is knowing you are not alone and constant consistant encouragement.
Like a plane flying to it's destination, there has to be tiny tweaks constantly to keep it on course and we all need that constant support to be able to cope with the bumps along the way.
If left alone, without some practical support (not just the virtual hug and pity party....that is fine sometimes when you don't want to take action but not really helpful in giving you a way out of your situation) I think we struggle to get ourselves back on track.

Having struggled and felt hopeless myself, I am keeping this going because I need it. It's actually doing me good helping others and I think if we help each other we will feel obligated to do our part and keep on track.
I dunno! That's how it has been for me this past week x
 
Yes neen, I agree....no only to do the noobies need encouragement, but you lot who are still in the efforts to goal...need help to.

Believe me, I am normally all gung ho...about things and uplifting I like to think...I just think I have a lot going on at the moment, not to mention, I am seeing a psycho-anylist who deal with food issues, to help me deal with my emotional food issues. I think it has really helpped me alot. I noticed through working with her that when I talked about certain people in my life, I would get very strong emotions and eat something. It wouldn't be a lot but I noticed that I went straight to the fridge and ate something....so that was a HUGE thing for me to see.....
 
Ref Emotional Eating:
I will write what has helped me and what I'm trying to do at the moment after I bundle the kids off to school x


I wrote this on an answer to someones diary but someone else suggested it would be good as a tip spread around a bit....so here is my staying on target tip for you all today...if anyone has a tip to share please do!

Fill your evenings with manicuring and face packs (both make it harder to go snack)
Make lists and scrap books (online or on paper) of the most gorgeous looking outfits, shoes and lingerie that will be on your list of what to wear when you get to goal and keep them where you can look at them and add to them.
Collect a cocktail cabinet type array of different smelling bubble baths , face packs and lotions so you can treat your sense of smell instead of your sense of taste.

Get a pic or photo in mag of what you want your body to be like (needn't be a supermodel) and stick your head on it and have it with you everywhere to help your subconscious steer you in that direction every day xxxx
 
Hmmm...neen, those sound like great ideas. For me if I am working on stuff at night, then I don't actually have time to eat anyway. I used to get stuff occassionally in the evening ater dinner to eat, but that was only cuz my husband was getting something. I had (previous to the milk diet) 1) found a game that I liked to play and chat on in the evening, so I was too busy to eat, 2) made sure if I was going to eat, it was fruit cut into small bits so it was bit size and take my time to eat them, as well as drink plenty of water in at the time.

I whenever I felt hungry, I always spend 5 minutes to drink some water and waited at least 15 minutes after that to see if I was still hungry. If not, then great, if so, then I would get the fruit...Or some popcorn ( using an airpop with no oil and a little salt).

But as far as my psych goes...we looked at my issues, and especially when I am angry. I realised I was immediately going to the fridge or eating something that was left on the counter. I wouldn't have been hungry but the food "made me feel better" I guess. But now, when I have an emotion about something. I just sit down, and think about it. Figure out what I want to do about and just deal with it and amde make a conscience effort not to eat. When I do choose to eat, I think about why I am eating...is it because I am hungry? Is it because it is "time" to eat? Is it because I feel, happy, sad, angry, bored? It's because I am genuinely hungry, then I have a drink, and wait just to make sure. If it is because it is "time" then I make sure I am hungry first. It is because of an emotion....I try to think about the emotion first with something to drink ( water _cuz that is really all I drink- apart from milk at the moment *LOL*) and try to resolve the issue as much as I can.

I realised that since this pre-op diet, I do bordem eat as well....so I just keep myself occupied at those times, when I know I may be susceptible, I make a conscience effort to change how I behave. I always have things I could be doing. There are never enough hours in the day to get things done, so occupying yourself is definatley a great tool.

Also I have to know that it takes time to change years of drummed in behaviour. So, if I make a mistake, just accept that I made it and learn from it and try to do it differently the next time.

As far as food choices, I know I make good choices, I am not a sweet eater, so that never bothers me. I do like savoury stuff, but again, inspite of my size I have never been a what you might call a glutton. But there are things I do love...and most of those are very rich. I am determined, that I will still continue to eat well and get my 5 fruit and veg in a day...and the little bits of the things I love, but I just have to be aware of how much and why....learn to reward myself with time,love and care. Not food.

As a parent, I am very aware of not doing that with my sons. Teaching them HEALTHY eating habbits. They see what I eat and I make sure that what they see if what I would want them to eat. Fruits, dried fruits, nuts, seeds, brown breads, lean meats...and plenty of fresh air and exercise. But they also know, that the occasional packet of crisps or a couple of pieces of candy are part of a balanced diet ( for them not me ...*LOL*) every thing in moderation...is what we say. And my son knows that...we rewards for doing his jobs are going to the cinema, going bowling...going to the beach...have a boy's day out, buying a new toy/book/game...and these work so there is no reason I can't apply them to myself as well.....I should make myself a little chart now that I think about it....so that as I reach my goals for the week or two weeks...I can do something for MYSELF. I know my son would love to put stars on my chart for me....:p

anyway sorry to ramble....I am sure I am telling you guys how to suck eggs...but it was just my thoughts...
 
Hey FFBB x
I really enjoyed reading through your reply..I definately agree with your ideas and points raised on what to do with cravings.

Games for me, are really a lifesaver sometimes, I have a very restless mind I think (shame it's not a restless body as well) and so I love games that I can get stuck into, like the Sims 3, World of Warcraft, really horrendously addictive dash games like Sallys salon etc...also I got a lot of fun out of Second Life and had some land and a shop where I sold my creations for a while.

I agree about the drinking first to see wether or not you are really physically hungry and I am trying to do that more often, just wish I had a more robust bladder!

Something I am trying to do at the moment is try and get through the feeling that normally sends me for the treat food.
I wanted to just stop feeling the embarrassment , upset, anger, frustration etc...cancel it out and not have to deal with it. And that was why I almost didn't think about what I was having...just anything shoved in to distract myself from feeling bad and change my feeling in that moment.

If your stress is caused by something you can't change then it's difficult to get out of. With my kids, there is constantly stress coming up from how things go in school etc and there is only so much I can do to plan ahead and maximise damage limitation.
I find that no matter how carefully I try and prep everything and plan everything out, the way they are wired means they will always be difficult to predict and they will always be struggling to cope to some degree, though I hope as they get older they can learn to cope better.

I have been trying to get that into my head and stop blaming myself for everything constantly because that turns into those feelings of guilt and helplessness that make me turn to food , then of course all I have done is feel gross and fat and hurt myself more.

Having that freedom from emotional eating gives you much more stamina...both in terms of being healthier by not eating unnessesary food when you don't need anything for nourishment, but also the emotional stamina to cope with feeling bad and get through it without damage.

I agree about the non food treats for the whole family too...I was brought up being fed a load of sweets etc because my grandparents felt sorry for me when my parents divorced...Ironically I was 4 and was fine and dandy!
Or being rewarded with pudding for eating all my meal etc...food is so associated with showing love or celebrating for so many of us.
My kids have new games or comics etc for rewards and I am trying to play down sweets etc...we have pizza day once a week and I'll maybe make a cake or cupcakes once a fortnight but I am really trying to play it right down so that treat foods are something that we can take or leave ...I don't want any mystique about sugar!
 
Neen,

Yes, I agree that it is hard to change the way you deal with your emotions. It has taken me to see actually see it for myself what I was doing. My therapist had me write down all the people in my life past /present and write down how I felt about them NOW, and what physical feelings I had about them NOW. I wrote down all the people I felt were/are significant in my life both good and bad. That was when i realised I was carrying around so much anger...about almost everyone who had ever been in my life...it made me realise I had no real Happy bits,which was sad, but made me think how lucky I am now that I have such a loving and great husband and two darling angel boys in my life. And if I want to be happy, I have to get my head around all the things that were making me angry and come to believe that it is my future that makes me...not just my past. So once I realised that things with my mother needed to be different, it changed things. I set up good boundries, which makes me happier. The issues that I have with my step-father, are still there, but I don't let him get to me like he used to. I try not to talk about all the "bad things" that happened in my life,cuz they are the past. My ability to deal with my emotions are still something I am working on. I find talking to my husband about my feelings help, talking with my girlfriends, and writing them down and then writing my options of the solutions, pick one and move forward. I then delete my writings so that it is done and dealt with and no longer a problem. Of course there are things you can't change. My other always said, never worry about things you can't change...just change the ones you can.
Neen, I am sure that having boys that are autistic must be vary hard. As I said my eldest has tourettes and whilst I am lucky that he is a very good boy 99% of the time, externally it can be hard to deal with other people. But you get through with the right support. We all know that sometimes, the food is just something we've "always" done. But it doesn't have to be something we "always" do. It took time to create the habits and it takes time to learn a new way. But we are all capable, and we must all want to do it or we wouldn't have come down the paths to banding in the first place. We want change, and after trying other methods, this was one that was left.

My psych asked me today, why I want the band instead of the bypass. I told her 1) I really don't want my body chopped in that way ( my opinion only) 2) I want the band to be an AID not a CURE. It is meant to be my job to sort it out and if it is all done for me, then I don't see how I learn to deal with any issues I have. I look at the band like a cane...it is there to help me walk, the bypass would be like a motibility scooter, just doing the work for me.

I know I am not perfect, I don't always make 100% the right choices, but you know, as long as I do my best to make the choices that are healthy and right at the time, and that I can look at myself and know I am doing my best...that is all I can ask. It's me who has to be happy with my choices, not my husband, my kids, my doctor, or my friends....ME.

I know I can do this, whilst I expect there to be bumps in the road, I know I can cope...anything is better than where I am/was at... If we all just give a little bit of ourselves to eachother....we call all do it. Whether we are pre-op, recently post-op or futher on post-op...It's about us, and what we want for our futures....and I for one will fight tooth and nail, to ensure that I do all I can to get to my happy place.

Food rewards- yes, my parents did the whole feed her out of guilt thing too when they divorced. And that is how most be celebrate, even at funerals people eat....it is a social thing. My sons have always been taught to eat till they are full, I am not bothered if they don't eat everything on the plate. Crisps and candy are allowed but only twice a week. We rarely have desserts in our house, but I have always made sure there is a little something in for the kids. I don't want to refuse them things sometimes, because then you push them in the opposite direction. Again I say, " it's ok to have a packet of crisps or a few sweeties...but not every day, cuz it wouldn't be good for your teeth would it? Or it might make your muscles go away? But a little bit sometimes is ok....everything in moderation!" I do make sure they have things like rice cakes, and seeds and nuts. plenty of fresh fruit and veg.

I am a baker by profession so I make cakes and cupcakes, biscuits all the time, and my kids are my little testers....so to be honest, I reckon they will be more savoury boys as I am sure they will get sick of it. But saying that...I make diabetic friendly cakes cookies etc....which the kids love. It's about the taste and not about the sugar....

Anyway...enough of my novel....gotta go and get my son from school.....speak later.

p.s sorry for any typos...I never go back and re-read anything...*LOL*
 
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Thankyou for that FFBB x It seems we have a bit of common ground in a lot of ways. I have a distant mother (oh boy that's a long story as well :) ) and ex step father who was a cruel A**hole.
I hope we can support each other along the way. I am not planning on going anywhere after goal or beyond as I like the idea of helping others with their weight issues as I fix my own x
 
How is everyone here today?

I had withdrawal last night as I couldn't access the site... :( anyone else have this?

Must admit I wretch and puke most days ... yesterday was good because I was so careful and foods I ate were OK. However some days I can't tolerate foods I'd eaten happily for weeks :( e.g. my krisproll incident on Tuesday. Help?

How do I know I haven't damaged the band? I'm a tad worried now.
 
On a good note .... I *think* my efforts may be paying off now (but not sure). Before you all get excited ;) not weight-wise I mean fitness wise - I'm just not losing ANY weight. Yesterday I did spin class and it wasn't too bad which was totally unexpected, I usually do two consecutive spin classes but decided to try my hand at the new Body Combat release ... I thought I'd be tired given I wasn't sure of the new moves AND it would work different parts of my body than Spin. However I did that too and could have easily done another Body Combat class straight afterwards. So I think I am getting fitter ..... even though my body can't release the fat :(
 
Hi Cah-Ching xxx I only just came back and checked just a moment ago :)
I think maybe your band is a bit on the tight side or perhaps you are suffering from a high stress level..you always seem to be on the go.
I would call your team , I think if the band was faulty somehow you would be in considerable constant pain, I would ask them and maybe see if you can get an xray as you should be able to eat without retching.
 
Hi Cah-Ching xxx I only just came back and checked just a moment ago :)
I think maybe your band is a bit on the tight side or perhaps you are suffering from a high stress level..you always seem to be on the go.
I would call your team , I think if the band was faulty somehow you would be in considerable constant pain, I would ask them and maybe see if you can get an xray as you should be able to eat without retching.


I missed you! :eek:


Thanks I'm seeing them on Saturday (supposedly for another fill and a dietician appointment!) ... I'll ask then.
 
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