thanks everyone, i feel ive been on such a rollercoaster , you all know that the decision to go for something like this is major. before going into theatre i was so nervous and just wanted it to be all over , but to come round in recovery and discover nothing had been done i was devasted and then a 2 hour wait to be told why,( i only realised i hadnt been done because the very unprofessional nurse said she would get me back to my room and get me something to eat, when i told her it was to be liquids only she only stared at me, i had to ask if no procedure had been done to which she nodded ...i couldnt fault the rest ofthe team, but i shall speak to someone tomorrow and make my decision from there..
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Stillbig, how sad... hope you fnd a way to work it out. really feels for you, thats must have been sp sad to wakeup and it wasnt done.
but i dont understand why they didnt "pump" your stomach ? just sucked te old food out, that wouldnt take them long ?
im off surgery in UK. they wanted me to pay 1000 pound in advance, BEFORE i even talked with the surgeon abot how he would do theprocedure. at first she said a 100 pound fee for the pre consult... long way from that to 1000. and then use 1000 pound on plain and hotel and then risk the surgeon tells me that he only has put 7 or 8 anchors in and my stomach only is 30% smaller... thats a lot off money on something that may not stop me from overeating.
anyway, i only want this surgery if they would make my stomach as small as possible, im my mind we are talking about 16-24 anchors/folds. (so about 20-30 %is left) or else it wont help me. and i need the stomach to say stop... i dont have enough selfdisipline, thas wy i need surgery.
but for the next years i dont tink they will make it small enough. but it will come.
when i see what how much post op on pose can eat i tink it is much... when i compare the food amount with post op who has bypass or sleeve i get worried.
thinking sleeve looks pretty good right now, its works, and you cant eat to much even if you really wants to.
and the sleeve cost just around ½ price for me, including 2-3 days at the clinic.
but i dont understand why they didnt "pump" your stomach ? just sucked te old food out, that wouldnt take them long ?
im off surgery in UK. they wanted me to pay 1000 pound in advance, BEFORE i even talked with the surgeon abot how he would do theprocedure. at first she said a 100 pound fee for the pre consult... long way from that to 1000. and then use 1000 pound on plain and hotel and then risk the surgeon tells me that he only has put 7 or 8 anchors in and my stomach only is 30% smaller... thats a lot off money on something that may not stop me from overeating.
anyway, i only want this surgery if they would make my stomach as small as possible, im my mind we are talking about 16-24 anchors/folds. (so about 20-30 %is left) or else it wont help me. and i need the stomach to say stop... i dont have enough selfdisipline, thas wy i need surgery.
but for the next years i dont tink they will make it small enough. but it will come.
when i see what how much post op on pose can eat i tink it is much... when i compare the food amount with post op who has bypass or sleeve i get worried.
thinking sleeve looks pretty good right now, its works, and you cant eat to much even if you really wants to.
and the sleeve cost just around ½ price for me, including 2-3 days at the clinic.
Hi Duffy,
I don't blame you for deciding against it if you have to pay so much up front (way too much money).
To be honest, you would also be a long way from help if you needed care afterwards which would really scare me.
I agree with you totally, it's definitely surgery for those with a little bit of discipline over food, something that I had none of years ago but have a lot more now (I put that down to hormones!!!) or happy only to lose a lot less than the other wls options.
Anyway, I wish you well in your quest and hope that you find something soon.
I don't blame you for deciding against it if you have to pay so much up front (way too much money).
To be honest, you would also be a long way from help if you needed care afterwards which would really scare me.
I agree with you totally, it's definitely surgery for those with a little bit of discipline over food, something that I had none of years ago but have a lot more now (I put that down to hormones!!!) or happy only to lose a lot less than the other wls options.
Anyway, I wish you well in your quest and hope that you find something soon.
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DuffyDk said:
Hi,
When I was reading up on the POSE (before I had it done), I'm sure the maximum number of anchors they use is 12. What makes you think that they can put in up to 24?
Stillbig, keep your eyes on the prize, and don't let anything pull you down.
hi thinking man, your right i have to see this as a blip and move forward, i spoke with nosc today ( national obesity surgery centre) today and they have penciled me in for 19th march which i have to confirm on wednesday. So onwards and upwards..thanks everyone on here you have all been lovely x
weeble
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Can I give you some advice. Get everything in writing from this company - I and a number of others have had a bad experience. We may just be unlucky and they may be very different now. However, cover you back and get them to confirm everything in writing.
I hope it works out for you soon.
I hope it works out for you soon.
thinking man, i has read it, and the surgeons who are doubting this metode use this as an argument... it is not quite enough for the most people.
As many as 20 connectors can be used depending on the size of the stomach - 10 or so is more typical. My surgeon did not tell me how much smaller my stomach is now, but from the pictures he showed me, it looks like about 1/3 smaller. They took pictures and filmed the whole surgery.
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As many as 20 connectors can be used depending on the size of the stomach - 10 or so is more typical. My surgeon did not tell me how much smaller my stomach is now, but from the pictures he showed me, it looks like about 1/3 smaller. They took pictures and filmed the whole surgery.
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When I queried how many folds will they put in, I was informed that it's deinitely NOT a procedure to shrink the whole stomach but ONLY to reduce the Fundus part of the stomach (the bit that expands when you have a large meal).
It's also the bit that produces the hormone that makes us hungry, so should cut those hunger feelings down as well.
I was therefore under the impression that the number of folds is therefore restricted to the size of that particular patient's fundus.
I will be interesting to see if this changes over the years.
Duffy, you mention that surgeons are doubting this method for most people, do you have any more information on their doubts and views? I might as well hear the bad as well as the good before having it done!!!
It's also the bit that produces the hormone that makes us hungry, so should cut those hunger feelings down as well.
I was therefore under the impression that the number of folds is therefore restricted to the size of that particular patient's fundus.
I will be interesting to see if this changes over the years.
Duffy, you mention that surgeons are doubting this method for most people, do you have any more information on their doubts and views? I might as well hear the bad as well as the good before having it done!!!
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The doubts i get is from 2 very experienced surgeons, who makes gby, sleeve andStomaphyx. and they are both going t get the Pose procedure ind time, sp it is not because they just think it is bad.
they are positive about the pose procedure, but for one like me who need to loose nearly 30 kg, they are not sure i would loose that much, unless i have a hig selfe control about the food amount.
i don overeat i HIGH amounts, i gained about 1 kg a month over many years.
The pose wont stop me from eating 10-20% or more to much in some meals and then i will continue the weightgain.
and i can see on the food plans that some af the them who had a pose is eating, and it is VERY much more than for example sleeve patients.
But i you have the strenght to say stop, and dont eat to much it is fine (but then why get surgery at all ?) the surgeons off course has to learn and find out what happens with the stomach etc after 1-5 years wit pose before they can go more ekstreme and make i so small with the "folds" that it is only 1/4 size or less off the original.
The doubts i get is from 2 very experienced surgeons, who makes gby, sleeve andStomaphyx. and they are both going t get the Pose procedure ind time, sp it is not because they just think it is bad.
they are positive about the pose procedure, but for one like me who need to loose nearly 30 kg, they are not sure i would loose that much, unless i have a hig selfe control about the food amount.
i don overeat i HIGH amounts, i gained about 1 kg a month over many years.
The pose wont stop me from eating 10-20% or more to much in some meals and then i will continue the weightgain.
and i can see on the food plans that some af the them who had a pose is eating, and it is VERY much more than for example sleeve patients.
But i you have the strenght to say stop, and dont eat to much it is fine (but then why get surgery at all ?) the surgeons off course has to learn and find out what happens with the stomach etc after 1-5 years wit pose before they can go more ekstreme and make i so small with the "folds" that it is only 1/4 size or less off the original.
Thanks duffy.
There is so much homework and heart searching to do in choosing what is right for ourselves as individuals and at the end of the day, we can only work with what is available.
I agree, it sounds like the sleeve will probably suit you much better and if the truth be told, would probably suit me better as well.
However, I really do not want to go down the surgery route and would rather stay overweight than do that, so when I heard of POSE, I decided that it was what I was looking for. I shall treat it not as an overnight miracle but more of a longer term weight loss tool. However, it is a tool that I feel that I can use.
We are all different and our weight gains can be for all sorts of different reasons, which is why I feel that it is right for me at this point in time.
(you never know, they may be able to put in some more folds for me at a later stage if I need them)
There is so much homework and heart searching to do in choosing what is right for ourselves as individuals and at the end of the day, we can only work with what is available.
I agree, it sounds like the sleeve will probably suit you much better and if the truth be told, would probably suit me better as well.
However, I really do not want to go down the surgery route and would rather stay overweight than do that, so when I heard of POSE, I decided that it was what I was looking for. I shall treat it not as an overnight miracle but more of a longer term weight loss tool. However, it is a tool that I feel that I can use.
We are all different and our weight gains can be for all sorts of different reasons, which is why I feel that it is right for me at this point in time.
(you never know, they may be able to put in some more folds for me at a later stage if I need them)
Von i also think the Pose is fantastic, and much easyer on the body than the other options 
But im such a chicken about surgery, needles etc. so when im doing this (and hopfully wake up of anastesia again, have neve tryed it before:cry i want it to be something thats works. im only doing this one time.
would be so sad if i did it and only lost 5-10-15 kg. and the unknown factor about how the stomach/fold looks in 10 years (or 3 years?)
but im going to follow you in here... and hopefully see that the pose can be just as affective as the sleeve.
But im such a chicken about surgery, needles etc. so when im doing this (and hopfully wake up of anastesia again, have neve tryed it before:cry
i want it to be something thats works. im only doing this one time. would be so sad if i did it and only lost 5-10-15 kg. and the unknown factor about how the stomach/fold looks in 10 years (or 3 years?)
but im going to follow you in here... and hopefully see that the pose can be just as affective as the sleeve.
Hi Duffy,
I'm pleased that you decided to rethink the sleeve. It would have been awful if you had gone for pose only to find out afterwards that a sleeve would have been better for you all along. As you say you only want to do this once.
Having spent several months researching wls options I decided that there are or can be significant problems and drawbacks to all the procedures including the sleeve and possibly unknown ones with pose.
I therefore had to weigh up which of the risks and drawbacks I was prepared to tollerate not only for me but for my family. This is why I have made my choice and presumably you yours.
I think you already know as I do that pose may well be not as effective as the sleeve in so far as total weight loss is concerned. However, for me I am happy to follow this route. Also it maybe our long term aims are slightly different to each others?
Anyway, I do hope you do stay on this forum so we can share and support each other on our respective weight loss journeys. It's good to have these discussions and to share our thoughts.
I'm pleased that you decided to rethink the sleeve. It would have been awful if you had gone for pose only to find out afterwards that a sleeve would have been better for you all along. As you say you only want to do this once.
Having spent several months researching wls options I decided that there are or can be significant problems and drawbacks to all the procedures including the sleeve and possibly unknown ones with pose.
I therefore had to weigh up which of the risks and drawbacks I was prepared to tollerate not only for me but for my family. This is why I have made my choice and presumably you yours.
I think you already know as I do that pose may well be not as effective as the sleeve in so far as total weight loss is concerned. However, for me I am happy to follow this route. Also it maybe our long term aims are slightly different to each others?
Anyway, I do hope you do stay on this forum so we can share and support each other on our respective weight loss journeys. It's good to have these discussions and to share our thoughts.
Good Morning all! Just a note to update you on my progress.
I am now 12 days post op POSE and am thankful to say that I am feeling much better. The first week was rough and there were times that I wished I had not had it done.
Some of my difficulty may have been due to the fact that I had TIF performed at the same time as POSE, and to the other fact that on Feb 4 I had surgery to remove my gallbladder (this was after 7 days flat on my back in the hospital recovering from Pancreatitus). So I was not in the best of health when I had the POSE.
But all of the pain is gone and I am walking every morning - the only problem that is still with me is the gas. I don't think it is still gas from the procedure, but gas that my body is producing for some reason. I am taking probiotics which put an end to the diarrhea, but did nothing for the gas.
Oh, I received the first bill from the hospital for $63,000.00. My insurance has paid $8000.00 towards it - hope they plan to pay a lot more. Have not received a bill from the surgeon as yet. That's something to look forward to! :gen157:
I am now 12 days post op POSE and am thankful to say that I am feeling much better. The first week was rough and there were times that I wished I had not had it done.
Some of my difficulty may have been due to the fact that I had TIF performed at the same time as POSE, and to the other fact that on Feb 4 I had surgery to remove my gallbladder (this was after 7 days flat on my back in the hospital recovering from Pancreatitus). So I was not in the best of health when I had the POSE.
But all of the pain is gone and I am walking every morning - the only problem that is still with me is the gas. I don't think it is still gas from the procedure, but gas that my body is producing for some reason. I am taking probiotics which put an end to the diarrhea, but did nothing for the gas.
Oh, I received the first bill from the hospital for $63,000.00.
My insurance has paid $8000.00 towards it - hope they plan to pay a lot more. Have not received a bill from the surgeon as yet. That's something to look forward to! :gen157:Thinkingman
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I don't think POSE is a 100% solution by itself. You still have to be conscious of what you are eating and make sensible decisions. Calorie counting will still have to play a factor. At present I'm avoid eating till I'm full and stopping earlier (if i can) as I really want to loose my excess weight and so try to eat a much reduced lunch (usually slimfast with a couple of fruit). Your motivation kicks in when you see results and as a result some hunger throughout the day is bearable, hopefully I'll train my stomach and my mind.
I went for the POSE knowing it's good for loosing about 3 stones, the rest is down to me. I also went for the POSE because it seemed the least invasive, and wanted to be on my feet quicker. I was originally planning on the band until I came across some of the problems (look at the vids on YouTube) and until I discovered the POSE.
Best of luck all.
I went for the POSE knowing it's good for loosing about 3 stones, the rest is down to me. I also went for the POSE because it seemed the least invasive, and wanted to be on my feet quicker. I was originally planning on the band until I came across some of the problems (look at the vids on YouTube) and until I discovered the POSE.
Best of luck all.
I agree with you, Thinkingman, at the end of the day the wls is a tool and not a total solution.
Eastbruce, you have been in the wars with all your other internal problems. I'm shocked at the size of your health bill but I guess that's because we have a different system of health care (that's not saying that ours is better than yours of course!)
Well, I'm still excitedley counting the days till surgery so any updates from yourselves is gratefully received.
Eastbruce, you have been in the wars with all your other internal problems. I'm shocked at the size of your health bill but I guess that's because we have a different system of health care (that's not saying that ours is better than yours of course!)
Well, I'm still excitedley counting the days till surgery so any updates from yourselves is gratefully received.
Good Morning - although most of you seem to be somewhere in the UK and I'm not sure what the time difference is, earlier or later than Florida?I am now 16 days post-op and am finally beginning to feel like myself again. I'm still taking the probiotics, but as I said that did not help the huge amounts of gas my stomach was creating and making me miserable. So, 3 days ago I began taking digestive enzymes and what a wonderful difference! I still have a small amount of burping, but 90% of the gas is gone.
Now that I am able to think more clearly, I recall my doctor telling me that after this surgery my stomach would not be able to digest food normally for a while and that is the reason for the special diet. He said the muscles in the stomach actually grind the food up small enough to get it started down the small intestine. And those muscles will not be able to work as well as before. So it makes sense that the food just lays in the stomach, undigested, creating more problems. The liquid diet and gradual shift to pureed then soft foods gives the stomach time to regain its strength and start digesting food again.
I also have to admit that I did not adhere to the special diet all the time and now wonder if that is most of the reason for all the diarrhea and gas. :break_diet:
So my advice is to stick to the diet or take digestive enzymes (maybe both).
Hi Eastbruce, it's mid afternoon here in the UK but probably not nearly as warm as where you are.....!!
So glad you are feeling more human now. I was told the special diet was to aid the healing of the sutures and to give any swelling a chance to settle. However, your doctor's explanation certainly does make sense.
I remember after my 3 casearians, I wasn't allowed to eat for a couple of days as I was told the stomach would have been shaken and stirred and needed time to settle!!!
I shall certainly be careful after surgery and watch what I eat, although it's probably not easy sticking to a sloppy diet for so long is it?
I still have 4 weeks to go till surgery, so I'm hoping that by then, between you and Thinkingman I shall have enough tips to see me through, although Stillbig may still be having her procedure at the end of this month?
Have you managed to speak to anyone else that has had the procedure apart from those on this forum?
Take care,
So glad you are feeling more human now. I was told the special diet was to aid the healing of the sutures and to give any swelling a chance to settle. However, your doctor's explanation certainly does make sense.
I remember after my 3 casearians, I wasn't allowed to eat for a couple of days as I was told the stomach would have been shaken and stirred and needed time to settle!!!
I shall certainly be careful after surgery and watch what I eat, although it's probably not easy sticking to a sloppy diet for so long is it?
I still have 4 weeks to go till surgery, so I'm hoping that by then, between you and Thinkingman I shall have enough tips to see me through, although Stillbig may still be having her procedure at the end of this month?
Have you managed to speak to anyone else that has had the procedure apart from those on this forum?
Take care,
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